Keith Ellison

Mr. ELLISON

Mr. ELLISON. I do thank the gentleman. This will be the conclusion of our Progressive message tonight. The Progressive Caucus, appearing with Anthony Weiner, who did such a fine job, we will be back next week, everybody. This has been Keith Ellison with the Progressive message, and we yield back.

Mr. ELLISON. Absolutely.

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentleman would yield briefly--and I'll hand it right back to the gentleman from New York--I just want to throw this out there: I propose that the people who support the public option and the people who oppose the public option do so for the same reasons. One is that the public option will be competitive. Because we don't have to funnel monies into these things that don't really go to care, we will be able to provide cost-competitive products for people to be able to purchase.

Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, I am Keith Ellison, here to claim the time. The Progressive Caucus message hour, which comes to the House floor every week, week after week, with a Progressive message will be short tonight. We want to let our Republican colleagues know that. Tonight, though short, it will be a very potent and effective message because it is a Progressive message. Obviously, everything these days is health care. Health care is a crucial issue, but it's important to understand that, from a Progressive standpoint, health care reform is part of an overall package of reform for middle and working class people in America. How are you doing with your family budget when you see, over the last 10 years, that health care premiums have increased, that deductibles are increasing and that copays are increasing? How is it going when you see your neighbors are foreclosed upon and when the houses in your neighborhood are seeing a reduction in value? That's real wealth you're losing with this foreclosure crisis. In a Progressive vision of this world, we see middle class people and working class people--people who are making only a little bit, who are making only minimum wage--who are actually seeing their wages rise, who are seeing their health care costs level off and go down, who are seeing their home values go up, and who are seeing the doors to the universities remain open so that young people can have real opportunities in this America. We have a vision where everybody counts, where everybody matters, where we're not constantly looking for the next person to throw under the bus. With the Progressive vision, we know that it doesn't really matter what your economic station is in life. You still have an opportunity to do well in America. You still should have that opportunity. You should still have an opportunity to have your civil and your human rights respected. As we move forward in this health care debate, we must remember from a Progressive message standpoint that it is a part of a network of things that American middle class and working class people need--people of all colors, people of all cultures and people of all faiths. The Progressive message: We don't believe that it makes sense to rail against and to demonize people who come from other countries. We welcome new Americans. We think it's a good idea. Immigration has been good for the United States. We have a Progressive message which says that we believe that everybody's health care in the United States ought to be covered and that your health should not be a commodity which is bought and sold on Wall Street, which is bought and sold on commodity markets, where people basically look at you and your health as an economic entity to make themselves richer and wealthier. So it is with that opening remark that I talk about our short presentation tonight: the Progressive message about health care. It is in this context that we talk about health care, not so much about the technicalities of health care at this point, but really focusing on health care reform--patients before profits. We believe in this. Thirty-six other nations in this world provide some form of national health care. Our country does not. We are the richest country in the world. We have a GDP bigger than any other country in the world by double, and still we say we don't have enough to go around to cover the 49 million who are left uninsured or to make sure that we hold prices down and have quality care for the 250 million who do have employer- based health care and government health care but who are seeing their premiums rise. Tonight, though our friends on the other side of the aisle constantly bang on government and talk about government-sponsored health care, we are here to say that the government is a good thing. There is nothing wrong with government. From a Progressive standpoint, we say that, yes, government must be efficient, that, yes, government must be effective and that, yes, government must not be too intrusive. Yet, just to make blanket statements about how government is bad, this is not part of the Progressive mission, because we know the GI Bill is part of government; we know that Medicare is part of government; we know that Medicaid, which covers the poor, is part of government; we know Social Security is part of government. We don't look at the government as the enemy in a country that is by, for and of the people. The government is us. So what are people talking about when they rail on government-run health care as if it's some horrible thing? The fact is that we're here to stand up and to stand out for real health care reform as a part of an overall package to make middle and working class people better off, with a higher quality of life and with more opportunities for themselves and for their families. So, as we discuss this issue and as we keep it in context, it's important to also bear in mind that a key element of reform--an essential element of reform--is the public option. The public option is an essential element of reform, and I want to talk to you about it tonight for just a few minutes because we're not going to be here long. We're going to be here for a while. Most doctors support the public option. We have this chart here--and I hope I can get a nice, wide camera angle--of both the public and private options. Sixty-three percent of all doctors--they call it ``doctors/ providers'' nowadays, but they're really doctors. Sixty-three percent of doctors support both a public and a private option. Sixty-three percent. That's a lot. Now, you have another 10 percent of doctors who say, You know what? Get profit-based health care out of our American system. We want public-only options. If you put all of the doctors who believe in both public and private options and doctors who believe in public-only options, that's 73 percent of doctors. Doctors say they know the public option is better. You might have some folks who are accountable to industry interests in the insurance industry who don't want a public option, but you don't have doctors saying it. Doctors are for the public option--63 percent-plus more. I am very pleased to be joined right now by my dear friend from the great State of New York, Anthony Weiner. Anthony, how are you doing tonight?

Mr. ELLISON. Wait a minute, isn't this a government-administered program?

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentleman would just hang with me for a minute-- well, tonight, we are short here tonight, we are going to be handing it over in a little while. But I just want to explore this issue of competition with the gentleman from New York one more time. Now you pointed out how we have real problems with competition. We have real issues with flexibility within the market because, when you need the operation, you need it. There is not much opportunity for shopping around. But what about the number of health care insurance companies that are in markets as they exist today? As you look around the cities of our country, are we seeing health insurance companies proliferating throughout these cities where you have multiple companies to choose from or are you looking at large markets being dominated by one to five actors? I believe 75 percent of all the major markets are dominated by no more than five actors. Even if you could go shop around for that policy, do you have a lot to choose from?

Mr. ELLISON

Mr. ELLISON. Madam Speaker, I rise today to congratulate B. Todd Jones on his confirmation as the U.S. Attorney for Minnesota. For U.S. Attorney Jones, my dear friend, this appointment represents the latest record in a life time of proud service to his beloved State of Minnesota, and to his country. Upon graduating from the University of Minnesota Law School in 1983, B. Todd served on active duty for six years in the Marine Corps. He was called back to active duty and served with distinction in Operation Desert Storm. In the private sector, B. Todd has tirelessly worked to uphold equal justice under the law. As an attorney with several Minnesota law firms, his diligent work on behalf of his clients has earned him broad respect in the legal community. Also noteworthy are his efforts to promote diversity in the legal community so that it may better serve all Americans. To this end, B. Todd helped found, and served on the executive board of, Twin Cities Diversity in Practice. Mr. Jones previously served as the U.S. District Attorney for Minnesota from 1998 to 2001. Based on a life steeped in public service, I have every confidence that B. Todd Jones will once more serve Minnesota and our nation with distinction. Madam Speaker, let me again extend my most sincere congratulations to my friend and wish him well as he continues his service to our country.

Mr. ELLISON

Mr. ELLISON. I just want to point out that, under the Baucus--or the Senate finance bill, subsidies to the premiums of low-income people would be kept at 13 percent of the max; whereas, in the House bills, the premiums would be kept at 11 percent. So the House bill, again, is doing more to help the middle class person. The Senate Finance Committee is cutting into the middle class even more. This is just premiums. This is not copays. This is not deductible payments, payments you have to make when you have a deductible. This is not other costs associated with health care. This is just premiums. So, again, the Senate Finance Committee's bill is not nearly as good as any of the House bills.

Mr. ELLISON. Mr. Speaker, welcome to the Progressive hour, the Progressive Message, the 60-minute period of time where the Progressive Caucus comes to the House floor to talk to the American people and our colleagues about critical issues of the day. The Progressive Message. The fact is, Mr. Speaker, is that we've got a lot to talk about today. The issue of the day is health care. And as we get started, I would like to bring our chairperson right into the conversation in the very beginning to introduce some of her ideas on this issue. Our chairwoman of the Progressive Caucus, Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey, has been a stalwart leader on this issue, has been convening meetings, has been keeping us together, has been unrelenting on her insistence for a public option. I yield to the gentlewoman from California.

Mr. ELLISON. Reclaiming my time, I know the gentlewoman has to take a brief interlude, but let me just say very quickly the fact is that Senator Baucus, who has spent many hours trying to pull together a bipartisan bill, comes out of that process without any bipartisan support for his bill, and there may not be many Democrats who want to vote for that bill coming out of the Finance Committee. The reality is we have had three House committee bills that all produced a public option and we have the Health Committee in the Senate that produced a public option, and now coming out of the Finance Committee there is no public option. I think when you look at the convergence of all these bills, it means that we're going to have a public option. But I think this is a time for grassroots activism, people to let their voices be heard, and people to be very clear on what they want. Stepping back from a public option, health care reform is really a three-tiered thing. It's a three-legged stool. One is making sure that people who already have insurance have stable insurance, are not discriminated against, and are treated better by the insurance companies with lower costs. The other is covering the uninsured. The third leg is a public option that can compete with private market insurance so that they can hold costs down and can introduce evidence- based medical practices to give Americans the best quality care that's available. The fact is that this three-legged stool is essential in order to have the kind of reform that Americans need today. This reform, we can have it. It is well within our grasp and we can do it, but we have got a little bit more to go. At this point we now know it's on the table and we know that this Finance Committee bill is not adequate and they need to go back to the drawing board. It's interesting to me that not one Republican said that they would support it after hours and hours of bipartisan effort to get them on the bill anyway. It's time to move forward with a bill that makes sense to all the American people. The fact is the President is on our side when it comes to the public option. The President made himself clear right on the floor of this House Chamber only a few days ago when he came here and said that he was for a public option. The President said it, and he made himself very clear. In fact, the President was eloquent when he said that without competition, the price of insurance goes up and the quality goes down, and it makes it easier for insurance companies to treat their customers badly, by cherry-picking the healthiest individuals and trying to drop the sickest, by overcharging small businesses who have no leverage, and by jacking up rates. The reality is the President was right about that, and he is on our side and wants to see reform come forward. Let's just say that this health care reform that we are talking about needs the support of the American people. Slowly the real facts have been coming forward. Slowly the American people have been coming to a better understanding of what the public option is and what health care reform means in general. The President is on our side, as I've said, and I believe the House should act quickly to pass a bill with a strong public option as it reflects the President's preference for a public option. The plan will do the following: It will cover preexisting conditions. How many Americans are dropped or have had their insurance go up because of a preexisting condition? The plan will stop the practice of rescission or denying you health care when you need it the most, and the bill will stop bankrupting our businesses and families for the sin of getting sick. A public option, which is an essential part of reform, as I've already mentioned, will offer choice, introduce competition and lower costs for consumers and taxpayers, and bring higher quality health care to all Americans. Choice: The President stated last week that currently in 34 States, 75 percent of the insurance market is controlled by five or fewer companies. What does that mean? That means that if we don't have a public option, we're going to mandate 49 million new consumers into the insurance companies' arms without any way to make them compete because these markets are monopolized or duopolized or what they call an oligopoly. What that means is they are highly concentrated. There are not a lot of sellers in the market; there are just a few. Now, if I say you have to buy insurance and there are only two or three people to buy it from, you can bet those two or three companies that are selling it are going to give you the maximum price unless you have a public option that's going to really compete with them and make them do the right thing. So we've got to be for choice and we've got to have competition. Let me also say that the President said--and I want to repeat this because I've said it once, but we've got to say it again--the President said without competition, the price of insurance goes up and up and quality goes down. Now think about it, if you're a resident of the great State of Alabama--Alabama is a wonderful State, I always enjoy going there--but in Alabama, almost 90 percent of the insurance market is controlled by just one insurance company. What does that mean? That means that if you want to buy insurance in Alabama, you're dealing with a monopoly. And if the monopoly says you pay, then you pay whatever it is they say you pay, or you don't get it. There is literally no competition. So given that situation, we know that we need a public option to introduce choice, competition, and real cost control. I want to talk about this public option because people don't always understand it. Think of the public option this way: we're going to have employer-based health care. That will be one part of this thing. Employer-based health care, you have insurance with your employer, you keep it. The second part is, if you have government health insurance already, like Medicare or the VA, you keep that. We're going to try to subsidize low-income people so that they can get Medicaid and health care like that. But the third part of it is this: it will be something called an ``exchange.'' Now, what is an exchange? An exchange is like a grocery market. It will be online or it will look like a catalog, like this book; and you go through it and you look for an insurance product. Now, there will be different products. Some will be a basic plan, some will be a middle plan, and some will be a Cadillac plan. And they will tell you what you can get covered for a given price and you will be shopping. And you might be able to do it online, like Craig's List or eBay or something like that, or you can do it on paper. But the fact is it's a market where people are selling different products. Now, all we're saying is that if you can imagine this health care insurance grocery store, on one aisle there would be a product offered by or administered by the government--actually, it wouldn't be run by the government because it would be private doctors who would be off actually providing the medical care, but it would be administered by a government program the same way Medicare is now. Now, I know people who said that they've got Medicare, and they don't want the government messing with their Medicare. Well, if you think the government is messing with your Medicare, what you must not know is that the government is Medicare. That is who is administering your Medicare right now. So if you think the VA health care is good or Medicare is good, then you will also see that a public option will be good. Very important for people to understand this. Let me also say this, and that is, you know, sometimes people on the other side of the aisle--you know, I'm a Democrat--the other guys, they say stuff like, I don't want government-run health care, and they make it sound like the government's bad. But in a democratic country, who is the government other than you and me? The government is the people-- government of the people, by the people, for the people. In a democratic society, the government is us. And if the government isn't functioning right, then we need to be more engaged to make it function right and we need to insist on lower cost, more efficiency. We need to be active citizens to make sure things go the way we want them to. But we need to get out of this thing that government can't do anything right. Did Lehman Brothers do everything right when their company crashed? That's a private company. What about Enron? What about WorldCom? What about Bear Stearns? Private industry makes a lot of mistakes as well. The government does good things, though. Think about this: if you or I should have the misfortune of needing emergency medical care, an EMS truck will come up here and hopefully save us. Who's that? That's the government. If you call up because your house is burning, who are you calling? The government yet again. When you start slicing into that steak you might eat tonight, who has made sure that meat is safe for you to eat? A government inspector. Public schools have made an educational opportunity for every kid in America. Are some of them bad or in need of repair and need to be better? Of course they do. Anything human beings do is going to need more work. But you can't say that public schools in general are a failure. You can say that a public school needs to be improved. We need to get out of this thing where we say the government can't function and can't produce good results for us. They do every day. You're going to tell me the officers who are putting their lives on the line to keep us safe are not doing a good job? The firefighters are not doing a good job? They are doing a great job. You have got to understand that part of what's going on here is just plain old government-bashing, government-bashing in a democratic country where government is by, for and of the people. So I hope people don't let this go by. It's not a good idea to just always run down whatever the government does. If they do, we bear responsibility because it's our government, democratic society. Let me just say this, too: the public option really means that the government would help to cover the high cost of insurance for Americans while bringing those costs down through competition. The public option means that Americans will be free to seek health care from any doctor they choose at any facility they choose without having to fear that they could not afford or will incur tens of thousands of dollars in medical debt. The public option is a good thing. Now, you would think, well, who should know the most about whether the public option would be a good thing? I will say I'm not the most well qualified, but I think doctors are. I think doctors are well qualified to know whether or not a public option is a good deal. Doctors who serve patients every day, serve patients day in and day out would have a good opinion that I would trust as to whether it would help the system improve. Doctors are the ones who sit up on the phone and have to argue with insurance companies over whether a procedure is going to be covered or not covered. I'm lucky enough to have a brother who is a primary care physician in Detroit. How are you doing there, Leonard? The fact is that my brother Leonard has to spend hours away from patients because he's trying to deal with insurance companies. The fact is that we need a public option. We need a public option. Let me just talk a little bit about this. The graph to my right here says most doctors support public option. Most doctors support public option. Here in the blue section is where doctors were asked, they said, Do we need a public option and a private option? Sixty-three percent of doctors said we need both public and private options. Twenty-seven percent of doctors said private options only and 10 percent of doctors said public options only. Most doctors say we should have both. I trust the doctors. And you know, this is a whole lot of doctors; 63 percent of them have said that we need both. So this is who I think we should listen to and who has a good opinion as to what's really right and what's really wrong. A large majority of doctors say that there should be a public option. Sixty-three percent of physicians support a public option. And when polled, nearly three-quarters, 75 percent, of physicians supported some form of a public option, either alone or in combination with other private insurance options. So that means that if you take this 63 with this 10 percent, that's a full 73 percent; that's about three-quarters. So this is overwhelmingly what doctors believe, that we should have a public option; and I think the doctors are right about that. We've been joined by the gentlelady from California, the chairperson of the Progressive Caucus. What do you think about this? Do you think that doctors know what they're talking about when 63 percent say we should have public and private options and another 10 percent say we need only a public option; 73 percent, does that mean anything to you? Do you think that's an important fact to know? I yield to the gentlewoman.

Mr. ELLISON. Well, if the gentlelady yields back, I look forward to that moment as well when we can have a unified House bill. I hope this is something that happens very quickly because I really believe that the public is really dying--oh, excuse me for that bad language----

Mr. ELLISON. The public is really calling for true health care reform.

Mr. ELLISON. And we were talking a moment ago about the bill that came out of the Senate Finance Committee, a bill that I don't favor at all. And I just thought that I would share a few basic facts about it. You should note that if you look at all the House bills together, even though they haven't been unified, if you look at them together, they all call for a public option. The Senate Finance bill does not have a public option; it has a cooperative, which is not nearly--which is no good, which is of no value.

Mr. ELLISON. Yes.

Mr. ELLISON. Yes, let's talk about that.

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentlelady would yield, I think you're right. It's not an inherently bad idea, but it's bad for this. And I want to be very clear: you and I aren't loosening up and open to co-ops. I mean, we're clear that co-ops is the wrong thing. And here's one reason why: the Congressional Budget Office, nonpartisan, they report on Senator Baucus' bill: ``The proposed co-ops had very little effect on the estimates of total enrollment in the exchanges or Federal costs because, as they are described in the specifications, they seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many of the areas of the country or to noticeably affect Federal subsidy payments.'' In other words, you mention that there are some successful health care co-ops around the country and how it took them years to build up. Well, the CBO report says that when the exchange opens up, the co-op will be too little, too small to have any market presence and will not be able to really be strong enough to actually impact the market. So the fact is that people will be left for years and years with no real successful option to lower costs. So the co-op is really not a viable option. I don't want to completely be dismissive of the idea of co-ops in general. Food co-ops are great. There are good co-ops, right? We want to be straight with everybody. But in this case, it's the wrong thing because it will be too small, too weak, too little to compete with these insurance companies that have been in the game for a long, long time. What we need is a public option, that's what we've got to have.

Mr. ELLISON. A robust public option. I'm talking about a public option with some muscle. Also, if we compare the Senate Finance bill with the House bills, the Senate Finance bill has no employer mandate. The House bill has an employer mandate to provide health insurance to its employees. So, look, employers--and I'm grateful to the employers that provide health care to their employees, but no employer will be able to say, well, we're just not going to do it because--for whatever reason. The employers are going to have to provide health care for their employees or contribute to a fund which will allow their employees to get health care.

Mr. ELLISON. Yes.

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentlelady would yield back, absolutely. That's right. We want to level the playing field. You can't go out there and just get a competitive advantage on your competition by dumping your health care insurance, so that's another important part. The third thing is, under the Senate finance bill, taxes and the pay- fors are a tax on high-end health insurance plans and a tax on medical devices, laboratories, et cetera. Under the House bill, there is an income tax surcharge on high-income earners. At least that's one idea. Now, I'm going to tell you this: If I am ever fortunate enough to be a wealthy individual--I assure you I am not one now--I would hope that, as an American----

Mr. ELLISON. Yes. Right. You'd better come here already wealthy.

Mr. ELLISON. That's right. As I was saying, if I ever become a well-to-do person, I would hope that I would have enough patriotic commitment to put other people's bare necessities in front of my own luxuries. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Mr. ELLISON. I mean, how many boats can I ski behind? How many houses can I own? If I have to pay a little bit more to make sure that some poor, single mom and her kids have health care, why wouldn't I do that? Why wouldn't I do that? I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on this? I yield to the gentlelady.

Mr. ELLISON. Right. Right.

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentlelady would yield back, I mean the fact is that many well-to-do people recognize that this country has been good to them, that many of them went to public schools, and that many of them have police who secure their properties. Many of them really are grateful for all of the bounty that America has given them, and they don't mind doing a little bit more to make sure that low-income, poor Americans have some way to go to a doctor. I think it's just basic, and I'm always a little shocked when I hear, well, somehow we're punishing well-to-do people by asking them for a little more to help poor Americans. I don't understand that kind of thinking, because you find a lot of extremely generous well-to-do people. I yield to the gentlelady.

Mr. ELLISON. If the gentlelady would yield back, does the gentlelady agree that we should go about 10 more minutes and hand it over?