Don Young

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the remaining time. In closing, I reluctantly oppose the amendment, but I understand why it should be defeated, and I urge the defeat of the amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, how much time remains?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I claim the 10 minutes in opposition, and I ask unanimous consent that the time be equally divided between myself and the gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. Udall).

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I have not read the amendment of the gentleman. I apologize. Does it, in fact, specifically say only land acquisition?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. I yield to the gentleman from New York.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, is the gentleman from California (Mr. George Miller) going to claim the full 10 minutes or is he going to yield time to me?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. If the gentleman would not mind doing so, because the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Tauzin) would like to speak.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Tauzin). (Mr. TAUZIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, how much time am I entitled to in opposition to the amendment?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, for the purpose of controlling time, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. George Miller) in opposition to the amendment.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman. I rise in opposition to the amendment. Mr. Chairman, I tell my good friend the gentleman from California (Mr. Radanovich) that this amendment is not necessary, nor needed. If we do as the Committee on Appropriations should do, we would, under CARA, fully fund PILT. Last year, the Committee on Appropriations funded $135 million last year and $10.7 million. Under this program that is not appropriated, we would, in fact, fully fund it with $185 million and $15 million in refuge so it would be fully funded. It would be perfectly funded for the first time. What has to happen now, the requirement now is through the Committee on Appropriations, who has not fully funded it. I agree with the gentleman, it should be. But under CARA, for the first time, we will have the money to fully fund the program as long as the Committee on Appropriations continues to do their job.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. I yield to the gentleman from California.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, CARA creates a ratio and it will be fully funded under that ratio. As long as the Committee on Appropriations continues to do as they have done in the past, we will match that under the CARA bill. It does not do it historically, but we will match it.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, then that is the fault of the Committee on Appropriations. But they will have more money than they have now for PILT.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, under this bill, under the provision of the title, we are fully funding PILT under CARA as long as the Committee on Appropriations does the job that they are supposed to do.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I have not yielded to the gentleman. I just answered the question.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, who controls the time?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I just want to remind the other gentleman from California, if CARA is not passed, how much money did they get in PILT? How much money do they get?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, that is what we do under CARA.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, did the gentleman yield 5 minutes to us?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, how much time did the gentleman from California yield to me?

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Saxton).

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Chairman, that is my interpretation. I believe that is the way it was presented. And, again, I would like to suggest that this is the only bill that this amendment would apply to. And, of course, this is the only bill before us today. But if we were going to do as the gentleman wishes to do, then we should apply that to everything. I happen to think, by the way, and I happen to think very frankly one thing we have to keep in mind, if we were to take a poll of all of our senior citizens, I think that we will find that they support this overwhelmingly. They are the ones that use the parks. They are the ones that go to the refuges. They are the ones that are worried about the redwoods, and they are the ones, frankly, worried about the endangered species. So keep in mind, although the gentleman says that we are going to spend the money away from Social Security or divert it away, remember the intention of the original act, the Land and Water Conservation Act. The Congress owes the American people $13 billion which we have not used correctly, that the law said we should use. That is my concern.

Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. I yield to the gentleman from Louisiana.